FAKE RIGGED POLICE BY THE 1%:
The silence of Obama, Boehner, Reid, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Clintons, the Bushes, on the police brutality against protesters speaks volumes. Congress and the president CONDONE it:
NYPD WHITESHIRT punches woman in face:
NYPD runs over guys leg, then parks on his leg as he's screaming:
1 Marine actually defending U.S. citizens' FREEDOM AND WAY OF LIFE, not FAKE defending defending our freedom and way of life in Iraq & Afghanistan for the 1% to get richer:
Top banks accused of colluding on ATM fees
Get arrested for closing your bank account:
Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD:
Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll
Wall Street’s Private Police in NYPD Uniforms
FAKE RIGGED FINANCIAL MARKET BY THE 1%
ATTENTION: THERE IS ANOTHER MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR HEIST UNDERWAY BY BANK OF AMERICA AND THE FED!!!!!!!!!!!
ANONYMOUS communication #1:
ANONYMOUS communication #2:
Here Are The Four Charts That Explain What The Protesters Are Angry About...
CHRIS HEDGES articulates what the media cannot: ‘Corporations have carried out a coup d’état in my country’
Let's start NAMING NAMES of the SUPER RICH who ONLY "TAKE" and are destroying America and the WORLD!
TRUTH SEEKER: NAMING NAMES!
Bank of America has another MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR taxpayer HEIST underway!
99% call in FRAUD - because it is! Obama claiming to support those who stand up to the banksters for their fraud, while refusing to prosecute them for it. Fraud, personified:
Occupy Wall Street: “Enforce the Laws for the 99%”
For those of you ASSHOLES who "blame the victim" on the foreclosure crisis, watch this video where CitiBank and others pay HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars as a settlement (no one goes to jail, of course) in a plea agreement that they MISLED HOMEOWNERS. I love the argument where ASSHOLES say, "The homeowner knew they couldn't pay the mortgage". WHO ARE THE EXPERTS? The LENDER is the EXPERT who knows the person can't pay the mortgage! If a 12 year old kid walked into a bank for a loan to buy a $5 MILLION dollar mansion, do you think the EXPERTS should say, "I don't think you can pay for this"? ABSOLUTELY! The mortgage crisis was that the EXPERT LENDERS KNEW the customers couldn't afford the mortgages and went nuts selling mortgages to people the KNEW couldn't pay them, and they quickly repackaged them as AAA rated investments and RESOLD THEM and then BET AGAINST THEM TO FAIL and made even MORE money:
Calling ALL Class Action Lawyers - GET GOING! Here is your ruling - Mass. Supreme Court Ruling: ALL PREVIOUS FORECLOSURES ILLEGAL AND NOT VALID, No legal title transferred! DO NOT BUY A FORECLOSURE!
FAKE RIGGED COURTS:
The Supreme Court's Citizens United decision: Corporations are PEOPLE and their "free speech" = unlimited political campaign $$$$$$$$$ "donations".
The "Kids for Cash" scandal: two judges throw kids into their private for-profit jails -
Bush's COUSIN presides over court case…AGAINST BUSH!
FAKE RIGGED VOTING:
Computer Programmer testifies he was commissioned by house rep to write program to hack electronic voting machines and make "your guy" win 51%-49%:
Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control
FAKE RIGGED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM:
How much do you pay for health insurance? Do you even HAVE health insurance? Did you know we're the only country, besides backward 3rd world countries, that doesn't guarantee all of its citizens health coverage? 50 million Americans DON'T have health insurance. If you DO have health insurance, how much is your monthly premium? We were paying $1,000/month for two people! Not only that, we had a $3,000 deductible! That means we had to spend $15,000 before receiving any "coverage" from our "coverage". Oh, but wait! I forgot about the CO-PAYS! Remember when they invented CO-PAYS? I DO! In the 1980's, the first CO-PAY I ever had was $5. Now they are $50 and up to $500! Remember when they invented DEDUCTIBLES? Do you like the fancy words "CO-PAY" and "DEDUCTIBLE"? Kind of like "INSURGENTS"! They invent these words. DEDUCTIBLES were very low at one time, too. Like I said above, we had a $3,000 DEDUCTIBLE. A few years back, I noticed a THIRD thing they invented: CO-INSURANCE! What's CO-INSURANCE? If you have a 20% CO-INSURANCE, that simply means when you have finished paying your CO-PAY and your DEDUCTIBLE, they will only cover 80% of what's left! That's CO-INSURANCE! Do you like that word, too? CO-PAY/DEDUCTIBLE/CO-INSURANCE. What do they all have in common? They're just WORDS that mean they're SCREWING YOU! Simply making you pay more...EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE "COVERAGE". Now, you're LUCKY if you have to pay a CO-PAY, DEDUCTIBLE, & CO-INSURANCE, because that means they actually covered something and didn't DENY you. That's called a DENIAL. A DENIAL means they just want you to send them $1,000/month extortion money for NO COVERAGE!
If You Oppose National Health Care, You Are an Idiot
US health care falls farther behind peers, report finds
Thousands Line Up for Free Health Care Clinic in Los Angeles
FALSE FLAG TERRORISM BY THE 1%:
plunger:
BY EVERY DEFINITION OF US LAW, THE FBI IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION:
Terror is committed when citizens are frightened by these acts, for political ends.
FBI = TERRORIST
When you actively plot to create a terror narrative, then expose/frame it in the media as a terror incident, when in reality THERE WAS NEVER ANY THREAT TO US CITIZENS, you are a terrorist.
When you call something a "Bomb Plot," (underwear, shoe, Christmas Day, etc.) even when there was NO BOMB, and get the media to parrot the lies for years thereafter - you ARE the terrorist.
The intentional inculcation of fear upon the citizens of the United States, as pure psyop and social engineering designed to facilitate propaganda for the purpose of tightening control and influencing political policy - BY WAY OF DECEPTION - is by every definition worldwide, TERRORISM.
THESE ARE THE TACTICS OF MOSSAD - PRACTICED BY THE FBI - AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF AMERICA
FALSE FLAG TERROR HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY WHAT COUNTRY?
KEITH HARMON SNOW SPEAKS WITH RT TV ABOUT USA'S CAMPAIGNS OF GLOBAL TERRORISM AND HILLARY CLINTON'S CALL FOR THE MURDER OF MUAMMAR GADDAFI
FAKE TERRORISM:
FAKE RIGGED NEWS BY THE 1%:
And btw, RADIO NEWS BRIEFS are BY FAR the biggest propaganda going! You hear them at the top and bottom of the hour in your car, in Wal-Mart, in the diner, in the coffee shop. If you want to know what the 1% are up to with FAKE NEWS, pay attention to the RADIO NEWS BRIEFS! The other day, the 3 top stories on RADIO NEWS BRIEFS were: Michael Jackson, the FAKE IRAN story, and the FAKE UNDERWEAR BOMBER story.
FAKE IRAN STORY: the latest fake story in the FAKE NEWS to get us into our 7th war (we're bombing Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya) -
WHO does Obama work for? The same people the Bush's and Clinton's work for: the 1%
Obama And His Seven Wars
OOPS! Make that EIGHT wars!
Ron Paul media blackout CONFIRMED with HARD STATISTICS.
FAKE NEWS
FAKE RIGGED TALK SHOW HOSTS:
9/11 WAS DONE BY THE 1%: FALSE FLAG TERRORISM
(I've been at the Wall St protests asking people if they believe the official 9/11 story, and to my surprise: NO ONE I ASKED BELIEVES THE OFFICIAL STORY! Apparently they now believe the REAL EXPERTS, not FAKE TV and FAKE GOVERNMENT stories with no evidence!)
15 minutes: WTC7
the 2 hour blockbuster movie:
15 minutes: psychologists offer help to those who believe lies
Hey, I gave plunger credit for something again. You have to mouse over it to see his name, though.
ReplyDeletePlunger got a thank you on FaceBook from some of his comments via ME! btw...I was told to pass that word onto plunger.
I just stumbled upon this old post of mine. I was really funny back then, what happened to me?
ReplyDeletehttp://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2010/01/big-dans-big-news-jan-6-2009.html
US health care falls farther behind peers, report finds
ReplyDeleteRead more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/10/18/127600/us-health-care-falls-farther-behind.html#ixzz1bF8Bnc6q
WSJ Pollster Grossly Misrepresents His Own Poll Results To Smear Occupy Wall Street
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America’s Secret Empire of Drone Bases: Its Full Extent Revealed for the First Time
ReplyDeleteA ground-breaking investigation examines the most secret
aspect of America's shadowy drone wars and maps out a world of hidden
bases dotting the globe.
http://www.alternet.org/story/152756/america%E2%80%99s_secret_empire_of_drone_bases%3A_its_full_extent_revealed_for_the_first_time_?akid=7728.84948.YgZSqO&rd=1&t=2
Friends of Israel — Enemies Inside the Gates
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ROTHSCHILD CORRUPTED WORLD THROUGH THEIR DECEITFUL FED + MAINSTREAM MEDIA...
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Tennessee Becomes First State To Fight Terrorism Statewide
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Rep. Ron Paul quickly took the side of the protesters.
ReplyDelete“I think Mr. Cain has blamed the victims,” Paul explained. “There’s a
lot of people that are victims of this business cycle. We can’t blame
the victims.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/19/gop-debate-crowd-cheers-blaming-protesters-for-lack-of-jobs/
I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - Occupy Wall Street
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HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's Derivatives Trades
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My friend Anthony Antonello gets Manny Badillo to call our local shill radio show WILK:
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Naomi Wolf arrested:
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One of the bullet items of the Wall St protests, should be to get rid of
ReplyDelete“credit ratings”. Credit ratings are like blackmail. They can put
ANYTHING on your credit rating. If you rightfully refuse to pay a bogus
bill, they will put it on your “credit rating” and good luck trying to
get it off.
A bank could give you a bogus $35 over limit fee charge, causing you to go negative. Then they charge you $35 for being negative. Then they charge you $35 for an "extended negative balance fee". I'm not kidding! I saw it happen! You could have $10 in your account, buy something for $11 with your debit card, they ALLOW it instead of rejecting it, then they charge you $35 for being negative $1, then they have a NEW charge called the "negative extended balance fee" (yep! I saw it! it exists!).
Thank you for the thank you, and the forwarded thank you. And thank you too.
ReplyDeleteJos Burrell on FB:
ReplyDeleteDamn good post on Terry's page. Tell your pal plunger, right on. jb
John Lennon - Power To The People
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TVNL Comment: Birds of a feather: Rachel Abrams' husband was
ReplyDeleteconvicted for his role in the Reagan administration Iran Contra fiasco,
and is a neocon member of PNAC - the war mongers who planned and
orchestrated the illegal Bush wars against Iraq and Afghanistan.
Emergency Committee For Israel Board Member Calls Palestinians ‘Savages,’ ‘Unmanned Animals,’ ‘Food For Sharks’
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/19/347624/the-emergency-committee-for-israel-palestinians-savages/
9 9 9 = I N S U R G E N T S , or any other "news" soundbite word they made up.
ReplyDeleteTop banks accused of colluding on ATM fees
ReplyDeletehttp://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/19/us-banks-atmfees-idUSTRE79I88F20111019
Good luck with your lawsuit about ATM fee collusion:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VizIrBQwA8w/TTgnkg9AyNI/AAAAAAAAKW0/6cb21T4Jass/s640/SCOTUS_CORP.jpg
ONE MARINE ACTUALLY DEFENDING OUR FREEDOM AND WAY OF LIFE:
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ATTENTION: THERE IS ANOTHER MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR HEIST UNDERWAY BY BANK OF AMERICA AND THE FED!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/the-federal-reserve-and-bank-of-america-initiate-a-coup-to-dump-hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars-of-losses-on-the-american-taxpayer.html
What an amazing coincidence that the very day after
ReplyDeleteClinton tells Libya's new puppet regime to "Get" Gaddafi, this photo
surfaces. And already we are seeing evidence that the image is being
tampered with, as in the AFP version where the camera icons are removed.
They really should leave well enough alone, because such alteration
bring the authenticity of the entire photo into doubt.https://rt.com/news/gaddafi-captured-sirte-wounded-289/
Infographic: All The Genetically Modified Food You're Eating
ReplyDeleteGMO crops have infiltrated 80% of all the packaged food in the United States, and no one has told you. Here's why.http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/infographic-all-genetically-modified.html
The FAKE IRAN story:
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Foreclosures ruled illegal in Massachusetts courts:
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Dylan Ratigan Speaks on How To Achieve Victory Over The Bankers
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Sean Hannity Interviews Ron Paul On The Fed And His New Tax Cuts Plan
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Occupy This: US History exposes the 1%’s crimes then and now. 3 of 6
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If anyone had any doubts that the Tea Party was hijacked by vested political interests, this should end them.
ReplyDeleteIsrael is desperate to derail the Occupy
Movement before it forces a change in the US Government that will end
the free access to American taxpayers' wallets and the reliable US veto
on UN Security Council resolutions against Israel.
All this crap about anti-Semitism is PLANTED to allow the media to attack OccupyAMERICA, to protect Israel's interests.
TEA PARTY SHOWS ITS TRUE COLORS - SMEARS OCCUPYAMERICA AS ANTI-SEMITES!
http://www.teaparty.org/article.php?id=1522
Cruise ships becoming hunting ground for human trafficking?
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In other news (they're not telling us about), "THE JEWS" participate in Occupy Los Angeles:
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CNN: Poor Jews need foreign aid more than starving African children
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Dylan's days on the tube are numbered. The bosses will hate this. They'll say it's a violation of his contract to appear nightly on a competitor's "network" (YouTube). It's clear to me he's been studying with Chopra, which may explain his obvious shift of consciousness that led to his departure from the reprehensible "Fast Money" on CNBS and onto his more enlightened path.
ReplyDeleteI think "they" occupy Kingston as well. Grogy and I are under seige. LOL!!!
ReplyDeleteRevolution - the instruction manual.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCjGgrewYY
(VIDEO) Libya, the untold story. A Debt Free nation ransacked!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wearechange.org/?p=9351
Do you know the real reason why they are attacking lybia?
There
are only seven nations left in the world that are not borrowing from a
Rothschild cartel bank: Iran, Syria, Algeria, North Korea, Sudan,
Iceland, and Cuba. Those countries create their own money for their own
people; and interest rates are low or zero. National banks that recently
fell to the Rothschild cartel include: Iraq, Afghanistan, and most
recently, Libya (on day 4 of the recent invasion). http://www.wearechange.org/?p=9351
Libya, the untold story. A Debt Free nation ransacked! Some believe it
is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but MOST are
convinced intervention in Libya is ALL about Gaddafi's PLAN TO
INTRODUCE THE GOLD DINAR, a single African currency made from gold, a
true sharing of the wealth AND THE END of the western world trying to
controlling the middle east.. "It's one of these things that you have
to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you're going to
change over from the dollar to something else, you're going to be
targeted," says Ministry of Peace founder Dr James Thring. "There were
two conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi.
Everybody was interested, most countries in Africa were keen." Source: http://www.RT.com/ Titled: 'Saving the world economy from Gaddafi'
Watch this movie (it's short), one of the most important movies you can watch:
ReplyDeleteSlavery by Consent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdybGEfAWK0
Question for plunger from John Niems:
ReplyDeleteWhat do you know about flight 103?
Here's the "live" version of the same video, without as much overdubs:
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McKinney Anti-War Tour Comes to Philadelphia
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I'm not the guy to comment on that one.
ReplyDeleteGaddafi's Murder and International Law
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Does this say it ALL about this post, which states basically that the 1% have everything RIGGED for themselves against the 99%?
ReplyDeleteMortgage CEO Gets 40-Month Sentence for $3 Billion Fraud, Homeless Man Gets 15 Years for Taking $100
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/683688/mortgage_ceo_gets_40-month_sentence_for_$3_billion_fraud,_homeless_man_gets_15_years_for_taking_$100/
You see how we just took out Ghadaffi and it was because Libya had no debt, were going to print their own money, etc...BUT ON TV/NEWS/RADIO they told us it was because "he was the guy who took down flight 103"?
ReplyDeleteBush took out Sadaam for FAKE reasons.
Do you THINK we really have elections and a democracy? Do you think things like that are left to chance by elections and democracy? Like we might vote someone in to stop all of this?
Tea Party Targets Congressman Grimm (Tea Party Darling) As Big Government NeoCon!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjRF_CqVQo
Attempts to forge libertarian-leftist alliances predate ‘Occupy Wall Street’
ReplyDeleteRead more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/20/attempts-to-forge-libertarian-leftist-alliances-predate-occupy-wall-street/#ixzz1bQzaRb7c
Gaddafi’s Death Sparks Celebrations, Probe Calls, as Libyans Begin New Era Free of Regime
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Gaddafi death: Envoy slams 'sadistic' triumphalism
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FAKE "celebrations" always follow:
ReplyDeleteBBC claims India is Tripoli: Propaganda 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Athwdw42xKs&feature=share
The Truth Behind The "Celebrating Palestinians"
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&twu=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2F0%2C1518%2C158625%2C00.html&usg=ALkJrhgOtDpS9Q3IPFU1cV0vT_DOLh4KkQ
Army Stage-Managed Fall of Hussein Statue
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/03/nation/na-statue3
every celebration video I saw from Libya on the tee vee yesterday was a tight shot of a few paid monkeys firing guns in the air. Couldn't get any real sense of any broad support. Looked totally like a wag the dog deal.
ReplyDeleteCNN
ReplyDeletehttp://my.firedoglake.com/ruthcalvo/2011/10/20/overview-of-media-from-outside-the-u-s/
TSA Takeover Of America – Army Of TSA Agents Conduct Random Searches Throughout Tennessee
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Comment from the Ron Paul Media Blackout link:
ReplyDeleteTexas Uncensored
This is what the media has been doing and why. The media gets a
call or visit from someone corporate, with a little story about their
corpately owned candidate, the way Goldman Sachs owns Romney ( they also
own Obama). They suggest a little publicity long before there is a
reason for publicity, usually about 6 weeks or so in advance. Then,
the election season begins, and the media begins to give more publicity
to that candidate. That candidate now has been positioned with name
recognition, and the media runs out and rigs poll questions, posing them
to people on the order of Leno's Jaywalking mentality. These often
morons only recognize the candidate(s) they heard on the MSM, and guess
what? The corporately owned candidate, the same corporation who owns
the media says, "oh look, our paid for tool is the front runner in the
poll."
And then, they have the excuse premade to shove their tool
down our throats, day after day until the brainwashing takes hold. They
have done that now with three candidates, all liars, panderers, with
financial and campaign scandals, all owned by corporations or tied to
protecting the FED's secrets. The very secrets that Ron Paul has been
exposing since becoming Chairman of the subcommittee investigating the
FED. They fear him.
This is how the corporations bought off
Congress, how they now run the White House, and why our troops keep
being sent to countries that didn't attack us, to steal resources for
the corporations, and put the burden of the debt on our backs, while
they send our young to die by the thousands, kill millions of innocent
civilians, and then feed us war propaganda to make us beg them to get
into more illegal undeclared wars. As you may have noticed, the son
of Kenya who is not a natural born citizen and not eligible to be
President is now a dictator, who bypasses Congress, stealing our tax
money to make more wars, all for the sake of empire and the corporate
kleptocracy. Am I ranting? LOL
Long story short, if Ron Paul
would be given equal time, as is required by the FCC, he would have
equal name recogniztion, and would be winning by overwhelming numbers in
the street and phone polls, the same as he does online after debates.
Ron Paul is not owned by anyone, not the corporations, and not the
FED. He exposed the FED, exposed the neocons, exposed the media
takeover by a few individuals, and wants to cut off their money fix
that is fueling the debt.
This man has balls of steel, and an
intellect to match. He knows who he can trust, and who he can't. They
fear him. They fear the people of of integrity that will fill a Ron
Paul cabinet. They fear Ron Paul negotiating honestly with other world
leaders, and the peace, respect, and trust between nations it would
bring.
They fear our nation's troops being here, protecting us, from them, and their false flags.
They might even end up with charges filed against them.
They
fear a people who are no longer made to fear through the use of war
propaganda. They fear a nation no longer willing to submit to their
authoritarian controls, and molestation at the airports.
They fear
a nation that is led by a real patriot, a real statesman, for the
people by the people. And a nation that respects the Constitution, the
rule of law, because they will lose power and the ability to steal from
us, and use us.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/10/ron-paul-media-blackout-confirmed/43747/
HOLY SHIT!
ReplyDeleteIMMORTAL TECHNIQUE SPEAKS:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/21/immortal-technique-occupy-wall-street-does-not-support-obama/
IT'S TIME TO PUT "NOBODY" ON THE BALLOT FOR EVERY OFFICE UP FOR ELECTION...
ReplyDeleteWhat would it take to start the "NOBODY" movement in this country?
How many signatures would be required on an initiative to place the word "NOBODY" on every ballot for State and National elective office - to vote out EVERY allegedly "elected" official, and replace them with NOBODY?
You want to demonstrate the people's true will? Watch them place more votes for "NOBODY" than for any Republican or Democrat.
The only way to regain control of these formerly representative offices is to boot out those who occupy them, and hit "reboot."
Do you really think the country would be worse off with no "leaders" than it is now?
ELECT "NOBODY"
Immortal
ReplyDeleteThe current economic structure is based on greed--the
immeasurable effect of an irrational fear of life's uncertainties. The
1%ers want the certainty of their greater profit and the certainty of
the 99%ers losing even more value and dignity. Ergo, OWS, in their
non-violent protest, just, for the moment, wants to create uncertainty
for the 1%ers, that which they irrationally fear more then even their
own death. And the 1%ers want to create certainty--cracked skulls,
arrest records, violence. Simple.
Obama’s “Get Out of Jail for Helping 1.36% Card” for Banksters
ReplyDeletehttp://www.emptywheel.net/2011/10/20/obamas-get-out-of-jail-for-helping-1-36-card-for-banksters/
So will Immortal "disappear"? Die? For saying this?
ReplyDeleteLook up Dave Chappelle who basically said that when he got gigantic, he started being approached by people who said he's with them and he has to start doing what they say, then made up a story that he went "nuts" and was seeking mental health help in Africa. Dave himself said, AFRICA??? I'd go THERE for mental health???
Look up Tupac who got gunned down in broad daylight in Vegas after he started talking openly about the Illuminati.
13 illuminati bloodlines & mind control: Part 9
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911 mantra
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One guess what this cat's name is:
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http://www.funpic.hu/hu/kategoriak/cicak/41573_kep?mode=top100&top100mode=click&interval=7&categoryId=&position=1
ReplyDeleteDuring the reign of Gaddafi in Libya: 1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law. 3. Home considered a human right in Libya
ReplyDelete4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar(US$50,000) by the
government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi
only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 83%. 6.
Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they would receive
farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to
kick-start their farms – all for free. 7. If Libyans cannot find the
education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government
funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth
accommodation and car allowance. 8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price. 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter. 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state
would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is
employed until employment is found. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens ($5000/resident/year). 13. A mother who gives birth to a child receives US$5,000 14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15 15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known
as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available
throughout the desert country.
Muammar Gaddafi in his own words: For 40 years, or was it longer, I can’t remember,
ReplyDeleteI did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when
they were hungry, I gave them food, I even made Benghazi into farmland
from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan, when he
killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead
he killed that poor innocent child, then I helped my brothers and
sisters from Africa with money for the African Union, did all I could to
help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s
committees ran our country, but that was never enough, as some told me,
even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never
satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more, and they told
Americans and other visitors, they needed “democracy,” and “freedom,”
never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats
the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that
in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free
housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to
beg or go to long lines to get soup, no, no matter what I did, it was
never enough for some. But for others, they knew I was the son
of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we’ve had
since Salah’ a’ Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I
claimed Libya, for my people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow,
to keep my people free from colonial domination—from thieves who would
steal from us— now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military
history, my little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the
freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free
medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with
American style thievery, called “capitalism,” but all of us in the Third
World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries,
run the world, and the people suffer, so, there is no alternative for
me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following
his path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with
food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab
brothers and sisters to work here with us, in the Libyan Jammohouriyah, I
do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my
people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it.
Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to
crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stood up to betrayal,
stood up the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with
my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of
light, when others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and
in a tent, I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our
national treasury foolishly, and like Salah’a’deen, our great Muslim
leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself… in
the West, some have called me “mad,” “crazy,” but they know the truth
but continue to lie, they know that our land is independent and free,
not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been
clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep
us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free" By Colonel Muammar Gaddafi
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Bank of America Dangerous Derivatives Deal
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All Your Base Are Belong To Us! Occupy Vancouver Takes Over 4 Banks! "No Arrest Made"
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Former 9 11 Commissioner admits missile hit the Pentagon
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I've now lost faith in one of the only politicians I had faith in: Elizabeth Warren -
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This BLACK guy is too much: Herman Cain.
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- it's the poor's fault that they're poor
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Can you think of any others?
Keep in mind, no one heard of Herman Cain 30 days ago! Now we all know he was a PIZZA KING!
Now he says: DESTROY ISLAM:
Herman Cain's Go-To Historian on the Muslim World: Destroy Islam
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Four US banks hold a staggering 95.9% of U.S. derivatives: The $600 Trillion Time Bomb That's Set to Explode
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130 Occupy protesters arrested in Chicago
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Eric Cantor's Speech On Income Inequality Canceled After University Opens It To The Public [UPDATE]
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How The Two-Party Oligarchy Uses The Democrat Vs Republican
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zionists take important gun control case to U.S. Supreme Court
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WikiLeaks cables and the Iraq War
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Michael Hudson: Mr. Obama’s Scare Tactics to Get Democrats to Vote for His Republican Wall Street Plan
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Hillary Clinton on Ghadaffi
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FTF Films: Do You See What I See?
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Presstitute Calls TSA Terrorist Highway Check Points "Most Brilliant Thing Ever!"
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European rabbis have urged the Vatican to suspend unity talks with the
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Pointing fingers in the wrong direction
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taxation the actual tax rate that the bottom 50% of the population is
paying is far more than the big fat zero touted by people like Rush
Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
http://mentalbrushfire.blogspot.com/2011/10/pointing-fingers-in-wrong-direction.html
Nassim Taleb on #OccupyWallStreet, Global Banking and Hammurabi's Code
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Soldiers burn O'Reilly books
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Recall On Hannity/O'Reilly Books
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IDF officer arrested over NIS 2.5 million drug-trafficking scandal
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The Strange Tale of Why Libya Is Broke?
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Have you noticed that despite the citizens having paid to create the roads in this country, they still have to pay to use them? Put gas in your car? You are paying a tax that goes toward maintenance and construction of roads. Remember when it used to be free to park on a public street? Not any more. Now you must pay rent to park your car in the space you already paid for once in your city taxes, and again in your gas taxes, and a third time in the parking meter. And if the meter runs out before you move the car from the space you've paid for three-times over, you get to pay for it again, in the form of a parking ticket. Got Giant Vampire Squid on your face, in your parking space?
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Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists in the Army are
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And the best thing about this job...YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO LEAVE THE UNITED STATES - IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE!
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No response to my old post? I e-mailed it:
ReplyDeleteI contend that those who believe 9/11 is a conspiracy have a flawed methodology similar to those of creationists.
http://www.justinvacula.com/2011/09/911-truthers-and-creationists-are.html
The original Theory about 9/11 was posited on the day of 9/11, by the (shadow) government and its paid spokespeople. Their theory is the original Conspiracy Theory (a theory about a conspiracy). The Government admits that 9/11 could only be the result of a Conspiracy. No other term accurately defines events including a significant number of people working to accomplish an outcome. Logic dictates it. The dictionary defines it. Therefor the government has laid the groundwork itself. There was a conspiracy in fact. Thruthers for the most part merely require evidence and direct proof of the Government's own Conspiracy Theory (Demanding a Real Investigation into the Real Crimes that comprise 9/11). The absence of evidence in support of the Government's entire theory logically concludes thinking people to assume the government is lying, and that the original theory posed by the Government is itself a lie.
ReplyDeleteWhile your Strawman argument attempts to conflate Creationists and Truthers, it fails completely. Creationists merely posit a theory, though not based on an alleged conspiracy. Any apples-to-apples analogy would require a comparison to another event that the Government itself claimed was a conspiracy. Whereas the word conspiracy does not belong in any discussion of Creationism vs. Evolution, your analogy fails.
But thank you for playing.
Law Bans Cash for Second Hand Transactions in Louisiana - Bill 195 - bye bye America
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Justin: you may be hopeless.
ReplyDelete" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
ReplyDeleteJustin Vacula
That post is addictive, like the Laurel Canyon post:
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Also, you've gone so far down the wrong path with 9/11 and are so outspoken FOR the ludicrous evidence-free official story told to us by TV "news" and politicians (and government-connected NIST - can you say "conflict of interest"? and a MAGAZINE Popular Mechanics), that you would look FOOLISH retracting now. Maybe that's why you're still pressing the official story? Because you are far too intelligent to believe it...IF YOU'VE REALLY EXAMINED IT.
ReplyDeleteplunger says above: "Talk is not evidence."
ReplyDeleteAND: BELIEFS are not FACTS. BELIEFS, such as "Our govt would never do such a thing!" or "So many people can't keep a secret that big." Those are BELIEFS, not FACTS.
Plunger: I met Justin Vacula at the booksigning of NEPATIZED, which we're both in. Justin is a very intelligent, very young activist. I think he's in his 20's. Very intelligent.
ReplyDeleteIt's MINDBOGGLING to me that he believes the official 9/11 story! Especially after speaking in length to him in person.
His ONLY problem is that he simply doesn't want to know the truth (which is actually quite logical - as the truth is really depressing, and requires an entire reality-lobotomy):
ReplyDelete" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
He states emphatically that he HAS NOT EXAMINED IT. I believe that is true.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't waste another minute concerning yourself with Justin's "beliefs," for they are not founded on study, which he admits, he doesn't choose to do. This does not define "Intelligence," it defines denial.
ReplyDeleteNone of us could have arrived at our present level of knowledge or belief without putting in the time required (years in our case, none in his case).
His opinions on this topic are irrelevant.
I have friends who freely admit that they do not want to know the truth. They choose blissful ignorance, and I can understand that, though don't condone it.
ReplyDeleteAttempting to wield admitted-ignorance as a sword to do battle with those who've actually become intelligent via years of study on this subject is just ludicrous.
Choose blissful ignorance, or arm yourself with intelligence by studying the topic. This attempt to walk in both worlds does nothing for you. It makes you seem very unintelligent.
You're shifting the burden of proof here...also if there is no evidence supporting the 'official story' OR if the 'official story' doesn't hold up/is partially wrong/is mostly wrong/is all wrong, this doesn't entail that there is a conspiracy. It's the false dichotomy all over again.
ReplyDeleteThe reason I say that Truthers and Creationists are strange bedfellows is because the methodology is deeply flawed. I use examples showing the 'same moves' both 'camps' use in order to illuminate. It's not an argument from analogy, but rather is showing how the 'moves' are similar. I can do the same thing with those who contest the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust/holocaust deniers, moon landing conspiracy theorists, etc and compare the flawed methodology to those of creationists. Look at the methodology and all psuedoscience seems to boil down to the same critical flaws.
Why spend so many hours educating yourself about all of the elements that go into making your argument, while spending no time on 9/11 itself? If you're not going to study 9/11, stop commenting on the subject. Unless of course you wish to articulate ANY scenario wherein one individual caused every incident that occurred on 9/11. If you can't (see definition of conspiracy), then EVERY story of what occurred requires a conspiracy theory - especially the government's own version. Have you read the definition of the word "conspiracy?"
ReplyDeleteConspiracy (crime), an agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement
Cabal, an association between religious, political, or tribal officials to further their own ends, usually by intrigueConspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantageConspiracy (crime), an agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreementConspiracy (political), the overthrow of a government
ReplyDeleteWhereas those who put in the time and research clearly see a Cabal engaged in a Civil, Criminal & Political Conspiracy (a veritable Conspiracy Trifecta), Justin apparently attributes the act of four planes striking three buildings to be the work of a lone gunman in the Texas School Book Depository window.
ReplyDeleteYour allergic reaction to the word "Conspiracy" is the result of a lifetime of brainwashing. Time to grow up.
ReplyDeleteWhen you listen to a newscast, and you hear the talker say: "some conspiracy theorists claim..." - what is the physical/visceral reaction you have in your body at that moment? That rejection of all that follows as not only "untrue," but socially reprehensible. Think about it. Who conditioned that physical response in you? How?
ReplyDeleteYou are no different than Pavlov's dog. Who conditioned you to react that way? How did they accomplish it? They employed the world's top minds in Social Engineering - on YOU. The media's use of the word "CONSPIRACY" is INTENTIONAL when they wish to distract the eyes of the masses from THE TRUTH. Use of the WORD is identical to the use of the "BELL" by Ivan Pavlov to generate the Pavlovian Response - in you.
Unlearn your conditioned reflex responses. Think like a criminal. Detach your moral compass. Only then can you comprehend what is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov
Pavlov more fully explained the findings, at the 14th International Medical Congress in Madrid, where he read a paper entitled The Experimental Psychology and Psychopathology of Animals.[12]
As Pavlov's work became known in the West, particularly through the writings of John B. Watson, the idea of "conditioning" as an automatic form of learning became a key concept in the developing specialism of comparative psychology, and the general approach to psychology that underlay it, behaviorism. The British philosopher Bertrand Russell was an enthusiastic advocate of the importance of Pavlov's work for philosophy of mind.[13]
Pavlov's research on conditional reflexes greatly influenced not only
science, but also popular culture. The phrase "Pavlov's dog" is often
used to describe someone who merely reacts to a situation rather than
using critical thinking. Pavlovian conditioning was a major theme in Aldous Huxley's dystopian novel, Brave New World, and also to a large degree in Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow.
It is popularly believed that Pavlov always signaled the occurrence
of food by ringing a bell. However, his writings record the use of a
wide variety of stimuli, including electric shocks, whistles, metronomes, tuning forks, and a range of visual stimuli, in addition to ringing a bell. Catania[14] cast doubt on whether Pavlov ever actually used a bell in his famous experiments. Littman[15] tentatively attributed the popular imagery to Pavlov’s contemporaries Vladimir Mikhailovich Bekhterev and John B. Watson, until Thomas[16] found several references that unambiguously stated Pavlov did, indeed, use a bell.
It is less widely known that Pavlov's experiments on the conditional
reflex extended to children, some of whom underwent surgical procedures,
similar to those performed on the dogs, for the collection of saliva.
So what? You're missing my point. I can know almost nothing about 9/11 and still notice your methodology is flawed just as I can do so with holocaust deniers, paranormal investigators, moon landing deniers, etc.
ReplyDelete"He either didn't look deeply into 9/11, or he's lying about it. It's the only thing I can think of."
ReplyDeleteFalse dichotomy. I critique the flawed methodology, most recently, that leads you to your beliefs regarding 9/11. This is one of my reasons for disagreement.
"I find it hard to believe he looked deeply into it, looked at AE911truth and the FACTUAL SIDE WITH ALL THE EXPERTS on it, and still believes the official story."
Assuming that a side is factual is question-begging and loading the question. Futher, I (and many others who are the real experts) contest that ae911 truth people are not the real experts. One would, for example, expect the scientific community to arrive at a consensus position backed by a very large amount of peer-reviewed research if the ideas of ae911 truth and those who are sympathetic are tenable. Instead, we don't see this and are justified in believing that ae911 truth ideas are untenable. Again, I don't even have to look deeply to disagree with you just as you, presumably, disagree with those who believe that acupuncture and sublaxation chiropracty without looking deeply into the issue. You know, religious people can play this same card and say that it is hard to believe a person is not x religion and didn't look into books a,b,c,d,e... This is very similar to what you are doing.
ALL the experts and evidence are on ONE SIDE! It's virtually impossible to examine 9/11 and believe the official story.
False.
In fact, at the local Occupy's, I have stopped at least 50 people and discussed 9/11 with them and ALL of them don't believe the official 9/11 story. I have many witnesses to this. In fact, I didn't expect that.
So what? Even if these 50 people are on your side, this demonstrates nothing.
" do believe part of his problem is he trusts the government and the mainstream media."
Ugh. This has nothing to do with my objection to your methodology being flawed.
Perhaps I can posit this fallacious argument to show why your reasoning is fallacious:
ReplyDeleteThe only problem of those who are not Hindus is that they don't want to know the truth (which is actually quite logical - as the truth is really depressing, and requires an entire reality-lobotomy.)
You continue to miss my point and fail to respond to my criticism of your failed methodology. Raise red herrings and personal attacks all day, for they do nothing.
ReplyDeletePerhaps I can posit the following to show how your reasoning here (paragraphs 2 and 3) is irrational:
No Hindu could have arrived at our present level of knowledge or belief without putting in the time required (years in our case, none in his case). His opinions on the topic are irrelevant.
You can't possibly believe that time spent on an issue justifies belief because you'd arrive at contradictions and would be forced to believe silly things such as the efficacy of all rejected medical cures. You know, many Hindus have spent time studying Hindu claims and many have not...so Hinduism must be justified?
"Choose blissful ignorance, or arm yourself with intelligence by studying the topic."
ReplyDeleteFalse dichotomy! You know, there are other options...such as attacking your methodology by noting it is flawed.
Here is a simple deductive argument to better illustrate my point.
ReplyDeletePremise one: One is unjustified in believing a conclusion if the methodology used to arrive at such a conclusion is deeply flawed.
Premise two: The methodology creationists use is deeply flawed.
Premise three: The methodology '9/11 truthers' use is similar to that of creationists.
Conslusion: One is unjustified in believing the conclusion of '9/11 truthers.'
You're posing the false dichotomy that I mentioned in my post once again! Even if it is the case that the current explanation for the events of 9/11 is false, this doesn't entail that one if justified in believing your explanation.
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with the MSM and the government! My argument in my post was about a critique of your methodology. Even if I assume, for sake of argument, that everything the MSM/goverment says is unjustified, your conclusions don't suddenly win out (another false dichotomy is proposed if you believe this).
To be more clear, here is what I posted above.
Premise one: One is unjustified in believing a conclusion if the methodology used to arrive at such a conclusion is deeply flawed.
Premise two: The methodology creationists use is deeply flawed.
Premise three: The methodology '9/11 truthers' use is similar to that of creationists.
Conslusion: One is unjustified in believing the conclusion of '9/11 truthers.'
I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers' at all, but rather am saying that 'truther methodology' is similar to 'creationist methodology' and thus one is unjustified in accepting the conclusions of 'truthers' that flow from flawed methodology.
Justin,
ReplyDeleteWas a crime committed on 9/11, yes or no?
If a crime was committed by more than one person, it is by definition and under the law, the result of a criminal conspiracy (two or more people conspiring to act in a concerted fashion to break the law).
Was a crime committed against the United States?
If so, it is the United States alone that bares the burden of proof sufficient to press charges against the alleged conspirators and accomplices and funders.
Has the United States followed the money trail and pressed charges against those who funded the operation?
No?
Why not?
But you obviously know this.
Surely you know what a conspiracy is.
Surely you know that the government's explanation for the events of 9/11 require one.
Reread everything you wrote.
ReplyDeleteWho attacked whom for using the word conspiracy?
I'm the one favoring the use of the word, where it applies - as is the case with 9/11.
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position, twisting his words or by means of [false] assumptions.[1]
ReplyDeleteTo "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a
proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet
unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without
ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]
Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified
version of the opponent's original statement, which has been distorted
to the point of absurdity. This exaggerated or distorted statement is thus easily argued against, but is a misrepresentation of the opponent's actual statement.
"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
You DO know almost nothing about 9/11 - as you admit:
ReplyDelete"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
Justin Vacula
" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
"I'm not strawmanning '9/11 truthers'"
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" I have not devoted a significant amount of time to study of the 9/11 attacks"
Justin Vacula
In every instance, you accuse other of that which you do:
ReplyDelete"Raise red herrings and personal attacks all
day, for they do nothing."
Informal fallacies of deductive reasoning contain a fundamental disconnect between the premises and the conclusion that renders the argument invalid. This disconnect often stems from the presence of a hidden co-premise that, if presented, would validate the argument.
ReplyDeleteInductive informal fallacies are slightly different from their deductive counterparts, as their merit rests in the inductive strength of the premise-conclusion link rather than in the presence of hidden premises. For instance, the fallacy of hasty generalization, can be roughly stated as:
p) A is an Xp) A is also a Yc) therefore, all Xs are also Ys
If the populations X and Y are both too large to sample
completely, then the statement is inductive. In such a case, a hasty
generalization occurs when the number of Xs and Ys is insufficient to represent the respective populations. It is important to distinguish between a principle of reasoning (deductive or inductive) and the premise of an argument.
The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
ReplyDeletePerson A has position X.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
You are so busy talking, and attempting to impress others with your oratory and logic, that you are setting yourself up once again. You admit that you have staked out strong (and wrong) positions a number of times in the past.
ReplyDeleteHave you failed to notice the trend?
If history is likely to repeat, and a pattern has in fact developed (your adamant declarations embellished by the certitude and logic of your 100% correct positions), followed by a 180 degree turnabout to assume the position you fought so adamantly against.
Do you really think "this time it's different?"
You have set yourself up perfectly to become a "Truther."
Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified
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to the point of absurdity.
I did not say that you were not interested in holding justified true beliefs. THAT is a text book Straw Man.
ReplyDeleteI said you were not interested in learning the truth of 9/11..
The accuracy of this statement is demonstrated by your admission that you have not studied that which you are here to debate.
Your desire to hold onto your existing beliefs, and argue on behalf of them, is duly noted.
That you will eventually follow the pattern you have created for yourself, and prove your beliefs to be unfounded, is my prediction.
"I can know almost nothing about 9/11 - yet debate the topic with all my might - for no apparent reason - but to raise my own profile as a debater and intellectual."
ReplyDeleteInteresting that you would replace the word Truth with a religious BELIEF.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you don't believe there is such a thing as TRUTH.
Do you have an aversion to Truth as a concept?
Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified
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to the point of absurdity.
Generally, the straw man is a highly exaggerated or over-simplified
ReplyDeleteversion of the opponent's original statement, which has been distorted
to the point of absurdity.
You didn't deal with the point. It's you tilting at windmills, no-one else.
ReplyDeleteYes, Holocaust denial is very similar. There's good reason for it too, it's mostly the same people. Little wonder they share the same flawed methodology.
ReplyDeleteThe far-right has a predominant influence in both "movements" - indeed, they are in fact both part of the far-right 'movement'. The far-right has been all over 911 Troof since day one - it segues perfectly into their essentially conspiracist worldview, and it provides another narrative to justify "saving America" (with an anti-semitic target for the scapegoat, of course). In that sense it reveals its roots - the conspiracism of Nazism (Nazi anti-semitism was essentially conspiracism.) It's the same old tale.
911 Troof has provided the far-right with a means to access discourse usually denied them - even "liberals" and "lefties" whom have fallen for the conspiracist angle can be found republishing and echoing the memes, ideas and personalities of the far-right. [Check Dan's links here, for example - Willis Carto's AFP, Chris Bollyn, Michael Rivero, Rense (friends with David Duke), etc etc etc.] This general gullibility has given the far-right not only access to new audiences usually denied them but also functions as a recruitment tool - the most susceptible and sympathetic can be readily discovered and contacted. It's been a huge propaganda gift to the far-right - one that Dan is happy to further, and even defend.
I've been investigating the far-right's penetration of 911 Troof these last 10 years. Essentially it's just a new chapter in the old tale of The Birchers, Willis Carto, Eustace Mullins, the Klan, the Pelley's Silvershirts, the militias, rah rah rah. You can pretty much draw a connecting line straight the way through the lot of it. Same people......same methodology. Just different memes, as the times go by. But essentially the same tale, all the way.
Perhaps the greatest distinction is between the anti-semites and the anti-communists. Although the "communism as Jewish plot" people bridge the divide. ;)
wow, that's lame.
ReplyDeleteI have devoted a significant amount of time to it. It isn't worth it, other than so as to provide the means to counter you douche bags.
ReplyDeleteFor example
----WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE UMS WAS MOSSAD?
----WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE 'THE DANCING ISRAELIS' WERE MOSSAD?
I know all the evidence as well as you, if not better. I have been there since the start. But you claim UMS was MOSSAD and that "the dancing Israelis" were MOSSAD - whereas I know of no reason to make such a statement.
And when I asked for your evidence to support such claims you have completely failed to present it.
I could go through an entire list of such questions - about which I have no doubt I know the evidence as well as you - if not better. But you won't respond to this single easily verifiable and rock-solid example. So what would be the point in presenting any more?
You can't address the first example I put to you. No more are needed.
Yes DAN.
ReplyDeleteSO TELL ME WHAT FACTS JUSTIFY YOUR CLAIMS THAT
1) UMS WAS MOSSAD
2) THE DANCING ISRAELIS WERE MOSSAD
If you can't, then you are indicted by your own words above. You have beliefs only. Or rather, PREJUDICE.
Plunger refuses to speak to people who DO know about 911.......
ReplyDeleteALL THE EXPERTS??????
ReplyDeletelol. 911 Troof contains a tiny minority of "experts". So much so that their "expertise" is called into account.
Wow - what an inversion of the truth, Dan, to claim ALL THE EXPERTS support 911 TROOF. They don't.
Non-experts have no choice but to rely on expert opinion. The vast majority of experts have no truck whatsoever with 911 Troof nonsense. So why would any non-expert choose the (extreme) minority view to believe? There's no good reason to do so. Non-experts should be prepared to be wrong for the right reasons, not right for the wrong ones. The METHOD is the point - not being "right" in a particular instance (for all the wrong reasons).
If one is to ignore the proper rules of considering evidence then one has given up any way to eventually prove one was wrong. Stick to the method. You don't. Indeed - you are having to lie through your teeth to do so - "ALL THE EXPERTS" support 911 Troof? What absolute rubbish.
The fact is, the vast majority of experts dismiss 911Troof as nonsense. However, Troofers dismiss such experts - "what do they know?" - "appeal to authority!!" blah blah blah.
But when Troofers want to make a point they run to "experts"....."published in peer-reviewed science journal"...blah blah blah. All the while ignoring the weight of real expertise, and the regime of genuine peer-review...which they rubbish....as it suits them. It's pathetic.
Lordy, plunger is one arrogant horrible SOB.
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